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Kevin LaTorre's avatar

It looks like our uncertain disagreement on the purpose of poetry may have to wait for another day (i.e., essay). To be honest, I'll admit that these intra-poetry-school debates dispirit me the instant I consider jumping into them beyond a friendly comment.

Your "Way of the Chiasm" definitely holds promise, as an inherited poetic structure that spurs invention, pleases the reader, and remains flexible for experimentation. This last component is what I find most important in the end, and it's something of a bone I can pick with formal poetry as an assumption: poems need to seek and enact vision. I might call this genius; I know you wouldn't. It's a foggy standard, which is why a shared form can be a helpful starting place. But analyzing structure by technical means can't always depict this kind of poetic skill accurately without reducing it. Again -- a friendly comment in need of flushing out, if I can steel myself to jump in.

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James Hart's avatar

"Perhaps the formalist poetry can’t get a foothold because the academy, and not the market, is hostile to anything filled with structure, meter, rhyme, or philosophical import."

I've always believed that it's been a fault of academic and publishing industries, and never society. In the several-thousand-year-old history of poetry, only in the past hundred or so did anyone object to formalism. And even today, though so few read it, it's still very much respected. You don't find formalist poetry in people's hands on the subway, maybe, but you hear it at commencement speeches, eulogies, weddings and retirement parties. We still use it to commemorate our most important occasions.

I think it'd be a bit silly to say academic publications have somehow increased public exposure to poetry. By and large, we've given the keys over to groups who aren't responsible enough to be good custodians. And so yes, poetry has become an echo chamber—only poets read poetry.

That's why I'm not looking to the academic or publishing communities for poetry's future. I think whatever future it might have will lie outside of formal organizations.

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