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Robert Charboneau's avatar

It reminds me of Whitman's "When I heard the learned astronomer." Both are in opposition to an attitude toward the natural world. I can imagine the sorts of people both Whitman and Frost have in mind. Are they exaggerating these positions. How much do they actually oppose them? It's hard to know with Frost. He's so elusive. In "Birches" he says "earth's the right place for love, I don't know where it's likely to go better," which also suggests this idea that he's interested in the here and now, the practical, the human.

Whether or not one ought to espouse such beliefs gets at what literature is for. You sound like Plato ready to kick out the poets for spreading misconceptions about the gods. I'm sympathetic to the argument, although ultimately I'd reject it because literature is not ultimately a matter of that kind of self-improvement.

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Evelyn Mow's avatar

Interesting analysis; I was also surprised reading this poem, which I didn't know although I love many of his— have you done any close reads of a poem that successfully uses form to communicate a really good idea? For Timothy Steele's book I will say that I took note of the way he acknowledged the importance of breaking the rules—once one knows the rules and can break them effectively. If I remember right, he expresses something along those lines!

I loved this bit, as it's about the universe too, and might talk back to Frost a little:

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.... In his stimulating study, Grammatical Man, Jeremy Campbell writes:

‘Biologists as well as philosophers have suggested that the universe, and the living forms it contains, are based on chance, but not on accident. To put it another way, forces of chance and of antichance coexist in a complementary relationship.... The proper metaphor for the life process may not be a pair of rolling dice or a spinning roulette wheel, but the sentences of a language, conveying information that is partly predictable and partly unpredictable. These sentences are generated by rules which make much out of little, producing a boundless wealth of meaning from a finite store of words; they enable language to be familiar yet surprising, constrained yet unpredictable within its constraints.’

“No less than grammar does, meter fuses and enacts those principles of constancy and of change that seem essential to life and to the world about us. Like grammar, meter involves simple structures that can nevertheless be manifested in varied and complex ways. It organizes the rhythms of speech while at the same time allowing for all sorts of modulations, shadings, and surprises. And when Campbell adds that "grammatical man inhabits a grammatical universe," poets and readers of verse might speculate that we also inhabit a metrical one.”

—Timothy Steele, All the fun’s in how you say it, chapter 5

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